Nobel - Gore

By: pumps , 8:49 PM GMT on October 12, 2007

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For some strange reason I can not connect dynamite
with a melting iceberg, but then again I am not giving
out Alfred's money....What gets me is that Gore is going
to donate his 3/4 of a million dollar prize money to the
Alliance for Climate Protection....A nonprofit group
he (Gore) founded last year...Don't you get an IRS tax
deduction for donating to a nonprofit organization?.....
Guess he is just moving his money from one pants pocket
to the other.....Pumps

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64. NRAamy
7:17 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
First off, I will never claim to be a tree hugger...that title holds a meaning out here in California that I do not associate with...

Secondly, I miss Steve too...maybe his daughter will take over where he left off...
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63. MisterPerfect
7:15 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Dover Dan,

Are you a Tennessee nitwit or just a politics troll? Really..
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62. MisterPerfect
7:15 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Alas, it is not word for word. You lose.
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61. catfuraplenty
7:13 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Feel free to hug something if you can't make it out to your tree. hehe You big bunch of 'sally girlies' afraid to admit you would hug a tree. :)

Did anyone else hear Dr. Brady Barr last night on Nat.Geo.Channel screaming like a little girl over being bitten by a python. So he had a couple of long gashes and was standing waist deep in bat guano. What a wimp. You grab hold of a huge python and you don't have the head, of course your gonna get bitten. Steve Irwin would never have let out a howl like that, he'd have said, "oh, your an angry little blighter aren't you. It's okay mate, lets just get your teeth out of my rear and we'll get a length on you."

I miss old Steve O', there was someone who was trying to (in his own insane way) to get folks to appreciate nature-- even if the nature did occasionally bite him. Brady Barr doesn't hold a candle to Steve. Come on American's lets toughen up. Funny when Dr. Brady got to the hospital they told him that the gashes were mostly confined to the fatty tissue of his rear. Hum...
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60. DoverDan0
7:13 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
mp - Serious, not word for word? Looks like a perfect cut and paste to me.

What you wrote:
"The man's political history should not be sugar-coated with his recent profile as an ambassador for the environment. Peace means stopping the killing, and Gore, saying yes to sanctions, did his bit in the killing of tens of thousands in the Clinton administration. Peace indeed."

What Mr. Kellogg wrote:
"The man's political history should not be sugar-coated with his recent profile as an ambassador for the environment. Peace means stopping the killing, and Gore, saying yes to sanctions, did his bit in the killing of tens of thousands."

BTW - Al Gore never claimed that he invented the internet. But don't let any pesky facts get in the way of you having a good time.
59. MisterPerfect
7:06 PM GMT on October 15, 2007

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58. NRAamy
7:04 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
MisterPerfect 12:01 PM PDT on October 15, 2007

Maybe they'll award you the Peace Prize for hugging your shotgun Amy.


Awesome! Make sure and submit my name!

:)
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57. DoverDan0
7:02 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
He's has profited from the environment since his involvment with the zinc mine, to his book, to his movie and now, whether or not it is true, his carbon credit enterprises.

Sullivan, being a bit disingenuous, aren't we. If you don't know if it's true, then why repeat it. If that ain't innuendo, I don't know what is. You also make it seem like we can just say no to zinc. Maybe you avoid canned foods, don't own an automobile or have any zinc-plated hardware in your house. The metal is pretty much indespensible in our society. If it's not mined in Carthage, TN it'll be mined somewhere else. And again, you really think that a mineral lease that Gore signed 34 years ago is relevant to this discussion? You haven't answered this.


56. MisterPerfect
7:01 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Maybe they'll award you the Peace Prize for hugging your shotgun Amy.
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55. NRAamy
6:58 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
I'm not a tree hugger...can I hug my shotgun instead?

:)
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54. MisterPerfect
6:53 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
(hugging computer monitor now)
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53. catfuraplenty
6:47 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
I've got an idea. Let's all go out and hug our trees! (Those who live in desert areas and only have cactus to hug are exempt from the aforementioned suggestion. You may hug yourself instead and think of a tree.)

Catfuraplenty
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52. sullivanweather
6:42 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Dover,

Land-use issues is one of the biggest reasons why we're in the mess that we're in.

Al could've said I don't care if there's zinc on my land, I don't want anyone coming through here and pulverizing it, digging through it with heavy machinery, ect...Basically destroying the land.

And what am I distorting? I don't know if this carbon credit thing is true or not, it's the first I'm hearing about it. Does that mean I cannot question it (which is what I did).

The fact that you're defending Al Gore shows that this guy doesn't have the cleanest bill of environmental health and maybe you should choose a different champion for the cause (perhaps someone that you shouldn;t have to defend to much and whose actions speaks for their words).
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51. MisterPerfect
6:41 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
What is your problem Dover? I'm not seeking any personal gain here. If I were submitting something for credit then I would be guilty. Also noticed that it is not word for word. So technically your definition isn't totally correct. I could rearrange a speech made by Churchill in 1942 and somehow it would resemble eerily similar words spoken by half-witted politicians like Hilary Clinton and John Kerry. If I were you, I'd focus on your precious politics and leave me out of your hate circle.

Link
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50. catfuraplenty
6:35 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Oh, Pumps, I just saw where you live. We have a Midlothian, TX. Isn't that neat?
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49. catfuraplenty
6:34 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
I fear what happens when the power goes out all together. Without our computers powered up, everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Stores shut down because they don't know how to count change. People start fighting because the traffic lights don't work and no one remembers the rules of who goes first when coming to a stop. Gas pumps are off. Our homes aren't built for the heat we have here and we've taken away most of the ambient breeze.

Oh, hold it. I think I've seen this movie, it was called, "Panic Rita Is Coming To Town." Or was it, "Katrina Does New Orleans." LOL ouch, the truth hurts. :)

Catfuraplenty (by the way, I've lived like my grandparents because I was raised with them. And I watch a dinky 13" analog tv, my modern conviences include this 5 year old computer,my beloved air conditioner, my cute white car that is almost paid for which gets me to my volunteer positions at the Houston Muesum of Nat. Sci., and the Houston Gem and Mineral Society and my water miserly front loading washer.)
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48. DoverDan0
6:32 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
mp - Maybe you don't have a dictionary handy. Hre it is:

plagiarism - a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work
47. MisterPerfect
6:30 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Sorry Dover, but I'm not trying to profit off of someone else's work/passions and take credit for my own gain like your old boy Al Gore. If someone has an opinion that I agree with I'll paste it without quotation marks because in all reality I damn well feel like it. Got it?
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46. MisterPerfect
6:28 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Try looking plagiarism up in the dictionary.

Try looking up "what ya gonna do about it" in the urban dictionary.
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45. MisterPerfect
6:18 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Hopefully, your real name is Paul Kellogg and you have a second home in Toronto. Otherwise I'd suggest using your own words when you post here; or at least give credit Mr. Kellogg. I also find it hard to believe that you disagree with the imposition of sanctions against Saddam Hussein. But then again, invading the country was such a better idea.

Sir, I am not sitting in English 101 and you are not my professor. Give me one more of your liberal suggestions and I'll whisk you and your words off into the lovely void of oblivion. I find it hard to believe that you side with a perenial fabricator of false logic. And yes, invading the country is more effective.
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44. DoverDan0
6:27 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
mp - Try looking plagiarism up in the dictionary.
43. DoverDan0
6:25 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
sullivan - Come on, you can do better than distortion and innuendo. I'm inclined to agree with you that Al should downsize his carbon footprint. I can't agree with making a statement like "now, whether or not it is true, his carbon credit enterprises." Do you have any evidence tha Al Gore is in the business of selling carbon credits? Of course not, because he isn't. Mr. Gore's involvement in said zinc mine was to sign a mineral lease 34 years ago. That's it. You really think that's relevant today? Are you really so insecure about your position that you feel the need to embelish and fabricate to try to make your case? Evidently.
42. pumps
6:10 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Cat-: Unfortunately the "focus" and "self-
reliance" was lost by a generation of people..
What is a shame is the fact that this
"generation" is beginning to reap the fruit
of their planted seeds and do not like the
results....Therefore the blame must be placed
elsewhere for their failures....I would like
to see anyone of them live in a house with
30amp electric service, as we did....That would
mean no Plasma TV, no surround sound, no washer
and dryer, no microwave, no electric toaster..

If this "generation" wants to go Green, all
they have to do is live like there grandparents
did....It is that simple.....Pumps
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41. reeldrlaura
4:13 PM GST on October 15, 2007
{{{{catfuraplenty}}} THANK YOU!!!! ...and Pump too!!!
What's everyone elso doing to SOLVE THE PROBLEM???? Chatting!!!
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40. MisterPerfect
6:14 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Hey Dover man...it was worth a post..got a problem with that?
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39. sullivanweather
1:15 PM EDT on October 15, 2007
Interesting read (blog, that is).

I fully agree that Al Gore shouldn't have won the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm sure there's plenty of other more qualified candidates that actually did more for the cause of peace, even if they want to call 'enviro-activism' peace. As I have discussing in Fshhead's blog Al Gore doesn't even have the environmental record that a Nobel Peace Prize candidate for the environmental cause should.

As far as this discussion goes here Al Gore, no matter which way one slices it, is in the global warming business. Yes, the business of global warming.

Global warming has become just like any other industry, a cause to profit from. Al Gore certainly proves this. He's has profited from the environment since his involvment with the zinc mine, to his book, to his movie and now, whether or not it is true, his carbon credit enterprises.

We'll know what's going on 5 years or so from now, so hopefully Al has kept himself clean. With the political witch hunts any dirt he's done will be sure to surface.

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38. DoverDan0
6:13 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
pumps, check it out here, Generation Investment Management is an investment firm. They do not sell carbon credits. And thanks for the Washington Post link. I wasn't aware of Dingell's proposal; the link between carbon tax and mortgage deduction makes sense to me now.

mp - This look familar?

"Al Gore? The Nobel Peace Prize? Wasn't he vice-president under Bill Clinton, when the U.S.-enforced brutal sanctions against Iraq, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, mostly children, in that country? The man's political history should not be sugar-coated with his recent profile as an ambassador for the environment. Peace means stopping the killing, and Gore, saying yes to sanctions, did his bit in the killing of tens of thousands. --Paul Kellogg, Toronto" link

Hopefully, your real name is Paul Kellogg and you have a second home in Toronto. Otherwise I'd suggest using your own words when you post here; or at least give credit Mr. Kellogg. I also find it hard to believe that you disagree with the imposition of sanctions against Saddam Hussein. But then again, invading the country was such a better idea.
37. pumps
5:59 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
MisterPerfect: For the record, Alfred Nobel's
original quote regarding the Peace Prize was,
"to the person who shall have done the most or
best work for fraternity between the nations,
for the abolition or reduction of standing
armies and for the holding and promotion of
peace congresses.....

Your opinion is vilified.....Pumps
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36. catfuraplenty
5:52 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
What passion you folks are showing. It's good to debate, even if only to agree that you can't agree.

If only we, as Americans could find a focus for all this feeling. If we took resonable steps to help our country be more self-reliant, can that be so bad? If we don't have to worry every time a shek somewhere decides he doesn't like us, isn't it better to have a choice of what fuel we can use? I personally, always like to have a 'plan-B'. That is neither for nor against Gobal warming, just good sense.

Imagine if we took half as much fervor that is whipped up by debates like this and put this emotional commitment into helping others with weather related catastrophies. Who cares what you call it, global warming, Earth's natural cycle; when a flood is washing away your house, will you still be pointing fingers? When you can't get the insurance company to pay up, who will we point a finger at? When people say, 'lets not rebuild N.Orleans because it's just a sitting duck for more storms,' then what will we do? You can't shut down a city without finding places for that population to go to. And remember New Orleans isn't the only hazard prone American city...there are these little things called earthquakes.

There shouldn't be time to point fingers because somewhere on our blue marble, someone is facing a weather related problem.

My ending arguement...a woman who volunteered with the peace corp went to Africa. While she was there she saw the mortality rate in children was horrific and it was largely due to the drinking of contaminated water. The land hasn't gotten much rain in many years and the people have to use the same water that the animals use. This woman saw a product that looks like drinking straw but filters out 99.9% of harmful bacteria from water and costs about $3.50 U.S. She told her church about the crisis. The church raised money to buy as many of these filters as they could and implimented a program to teach the kids and other villages how to use them. The kids are using the straws and oddly enough they've become a fashion statement as well. No kid wants to go around drinking water without their colorful magic straw. :) An entire new generation of children will be saved because someone decided to do something about a problem.

Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work. We can argue politics till the cows come home. Do we believe, really believe, that a political person is going to make a difference that we, as individuals, cannot?

Catfuraplenty
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35. MisterPerfect
5:19 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
Giving the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore is just another slap in Dr. Martin Luther King's face.

The man's political history should not be sugar-coated with his recent profile as an ambassador for the environment. Peace means stopping the killing, and Gore, saying yes to sanctions, did his bit in the killing of tens of thousands in the Clinton administration. Peace indeed.

Nobel, like so many other awards these days has become less about excellence and more about who-knows-whom, particularly in view of the same day announcement that he had falsified many of his global warming "arguments." Al can put this on his resume along with the invention of the Internet.
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34. pumps
5:11 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
DoverDan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101200983.html

Link for your Carbon Tax query...Pumps
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33. pumps
4:46 PM GMT on October 15, 2007
DoverDan: "[H]ow Gore buys his 'carbon
credits,' as revealed by The Tennessean,
(Gore's hometown newspaper), raises serious
questions. According to the newspaper's
report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through
Generation Investment Management:

Gore helped found Generation Investment
Management, through which he and others pay for
offsets. The firm invests the money in
solar, wind and other projects that reduce
energy consumption around the globe....

Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably,
draws an income or will make money as its
investments prosper. In other words, he
'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself...In
reality, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets'
through GIM - he buys stocks."

Mr. Gore IS in the Carbon Credit (Offset and
Tax) Business......Pumps
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32. DoverDan
10:53 PM GMT on October 14, 2007
"BTW as mentioned in previous blogs Mr. Gore is in the Carbon Tax Credit business"

Hey pumps, still at it I see. Of course, the quoted statement is completely untrue; Mr. Gore is not in the Carbon Tax Credit business. But you don't seem like the kind of guy who's gonna let the facts get in the way of some juicy slander. When it comes down to it, there is no Carbon Tax in the US so how can you have a Carbon Tax Credit? And what is the relationship between Carbon Tax Credits and the mortgage interest deduction? You kind of lost me on that one. What you been smokin' boy?
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31. pumps
5:21 PM GMT on October 14, 2007
Now for the rest of the story....My local VA
paper has a story about Carbon Tax Credits, due
to Global Warming, in their Real Estate
Section.....Why?......Good Olde Rep. John
Dingell (D-MI) has plans to phase out mortgage
interest write-off on US Tax Returns...If your
house is larger than 3,000 sq ft...Above 4,200
sq ft a homeowner would receive no write-off
at all...The article was written by Kenneth
Harney in Washington....BTW as mentioned in
previous blogs Mr. Gore is in the Carbon Tax
Credit business....Pumps
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30. pumps
5:11 PM GMT on October 14, 2007
Just a clarification....Mr. Al Gore DID NOT
win an Academy Award....He only excepted the
honored trophy for the producers of the film
documentary.....He DID win the Nobel (boy, is
Bill pissed)....Pumps
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29. thunder1
2:35 AM GMT on October 14, 2007
I would love to celebrate that a fello countryman has won the nobel peace prize, but
not to a man who speaks from both sides of his face. So he made a movie of something that others have been trying to bring to light for years, and thats worth a peace prize, give me a break. And to think people are buying into this crap. And Rush was in this selection why?
Gore has done nothing that several have been trying to do already. Gore wants Americans to live a certain way, but yet he himself lives
totally opposite what he preaches. And he wants to tax us, while he uses far more energy than most of us.
Oh I almost forgot, hes also added 30 million to his worth, and that money is going where?
Im really disappointed in people who actually think Gore should be put in the same category
as Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela,
Nazi Hunter, etc, and on and on. I dont even put him in the top 100. What has Gore sacrificed? absolutely nothing,but gain self wealth. He has done nothing to help humanity.
Cloud the picture with partisan politics,your killing me, the only reason he was successful and able to do the things he did is because he is a politician.
EVERYTHINGS ABOUT POLITICS, otherwise we would actually be doing something to make a change, instead of talk about it.
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28. pumps
11:37 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
DoverDan, I suspect that the readers of this
blog fully understand the meaning of the
words conundrum and semantics....With regard
to the Alliance for Climate Protection, I
suspect some blogger will "shine the light"
on their operations in the forthcoming months..
Pumps
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27. DoverDan
9:57 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Your Post #9 and #20 are a conundrum
-- I don't see any inconsistencies here; you'll have to elaborate.

With regard to my usage of "not an anti-Bush 'statement'" you use "award could be seen as criticism of the Bush administration"
-- I'm not sure what you're saying here, I never wrote "award could be seen as criticism of the Bush administration" . In post #18 you claimed that "the Nobel Prize Commitee issued a statement that the Peace Prize to Gore was not an anti-Bush "statement"". This is false, untrue, never happened, a figment of your imagination. Should I add that I think you made this up for effect?

But, Mr. Gore will make a large sum of money.
--Your claim in post #15 was that Al Gore would illegally divert funds from the Alliance of Climate Protection (which he does not control, as you claim) for his own use. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? BTW, how exactly do you think Al Gore is going to make a lot of money from this?
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26. pumps
8:34 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
DoverDan, we all love the debate, it beats bad
Saturday College football on the TV....
Your Post #9 and #20 are a conundrum, when
you read them...With regard to my usage of
"not an anti-Bush 'statement'" you use "award
could be seen as criticism of the Bush
administration" DUH....Also since "greenhouse
gas" has been a problem for years, please
supply it's correct spelling in Latin....And
one final question - Cleopatra's Alexandra
is under the Mediterranean Sea, the Earth we
are currently privilege to live in is
constantly changing....The Gulf of California
will be waterfront property in Tucson AZ in
2000 years and changing a light bulb in your
house will not prevent that....But, Mr. Gore
will make a large sum of money....Remember,
all humans, including yourself, live for today
not for tomorrow.....(It has something to do
with a basic survival instinct, or something)..
Pumps
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25. Spetrm
8:28 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Ok well if that wasent your intentions then my apologys. But ya absorbed by the sun, (visible light). I win!! LOL

Plus I have dont my research. I do admit its not my #1 priority at the moment. I concentrate on the day to day forecast more than long range but I do enjoy looking in to it. I'm sure you have done more research than I.
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24. DoverDan
8:28 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Spetrm - I'm sorry you took it that way. I certainly was not questioning your intellegence; merely curious about the depth of your research into the global warming phenomenon. As to your question about the source of earth's radiation: all warm bodies emit infrared (IR) radiation and the warmer the body, the more IR emitted. This is the principle behind night vision goggles. The earth is primarily warmed by absorption of light (primarily visible light) from the sun.
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23. Spetrm
8:10 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Dan I'm not going to debate me if your going to attack my intelligence in the field of weather. For the record where does earths radiation come from? The magical earth radiation nome?
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22. DoverDan
8:05 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
In Oslo, Ole Danbolt Mjoes, chairman of the peace committee, was asked whether the award could be seen as criticism of the Bush administration, which did not subscribe to the Kyoto treaty to cap greenhouse gases. He replied that the Nobel was not meant to be a “kick in the leg to anyone” — the Norwegian expression for “kick in the teeth.”

Responding to a question from a reporter is a whole lot different than "the Nobel Prize Commitee issued a statement that the Peace Prize to Gore was not an anti-Bush "statement". You wouldn't be distorting the truth a bit to try to make a point, would you pumps?

Spetrm - I asked the question because I was curious as to how well you understand the science. For the record, CO2 is called a greenhouse gas because it absorbs infrared radiation emitted by the earth. This causes warming of the atmosphere.
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21. Spetrm
7:41 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
O well nevermind! I thought you were saying AGW advanced global warming. As in people are aiding in the affect of a natural cycle. And yes I know why it is. Beucase it absorbs more wavelenghts of sunlight unlike other common gases. Why do you ask?
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20. DoverDan
7:24 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Spetrm - AGW = anthropogenic global warming = earth getting warmer because of people. I'm just curious, do you know why carbon dioxide is called a greenhouse gas? And I agree with you about Bush.

pumps - My post was specifically in response to "a prize normally given to people who stop wars." I am quite aware of the accomplishments of the people I listed and, indeed, some of them may have worked to prevent violence but none of them ever stopped a war. Also, does it ever bother you to accuse people of dishonesty when you have absolutely no evidence to back it up?
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19. ShenandoahCurrent
7:04 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Have you ever seen the Exxon Sea Level Fluctuation Graph? There are other graphs out there and they all show the same thing. Assuming that sea level fluctuations are directly related to global warming, it is hard to believe that humans are the problem. Global warming is a natural cycle. Humans do create dangerous and unfortunate atmospheric conditions like smog, acid rain.

Congrats to Gore, but I think Richard Branson should have won the trophy.
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18. pumps
7:08 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
If you want to make Gore's prize a political
one, little has been said that the Nobel Prize
Commitee issued a statement that the Peace
Prize to Gore was not an anti-Bush "statement".
Now why would this caveat be added to the
prize?......Pumps
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17. Spetrm
6:54 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Well I guess the most odvios one is the vikings. They got wiped off the map from the little ice age.

You know Dan, I don't fully disagree with AGW. But the earth getting warmer fully becuase of people. NAAA I don't believe that. Not one bit. Like I mentioned earlier. We are destroying the atmosphere and that needs to stop.

If you think about it actually cuase I'm getting confused now were debating about the same thing just saying it differant. A well.

I still think he dosent deserve the nobel and It could have gone to someone better. But I didnt think Bush should have gotten the white house and he did and we just haft to live with it right?
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16. ShenandoahCurrent
6:52 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
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15. pumps
6:29 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
Dover Dan, Martin Luther King Jr. fought for
peace in the American civil rights movement...
Nelson Mandela fought for peace in his country
of South Africa....Desmond Tutu fought for
peace throughout the entire African continent
and Elie Wiesel, besides being a Nazi hunter
was a great humanitarian....And Mr. Gore will
find a way for the Alliance for Climate
Protection pay for a lot of his "expenses".....

Hey Spetrm, what nations have failed to to
climate changes?.....Pumps
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14. DoverDan
6:42 PM GMT on October 13, 2007
"Plus theres plenty of scientist that agree with me too."

Sorry Spetrm, but this simply isn't true. I'd guess that there's less than a handful of credible climate scientists who disagree with the basic premise that AGW is a real phenomenon. I challenge you to find a paper published in a reputable journal in the last 5 years that offers evidence that AGW does not exist. Finally, you claim that the warming of the atmosphere over the past century is part of a natural cycle. Is it not equally likely that we're in a natural cooling cycle that is masking the full effects of AGW?
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